Both sides tweak their armor, the difference between that Ukrainian tweaks of Cold War and European armor make sense and produce the right result, while Ruzzia's desperate tweaks of garbage still looks, acts and moves like garbage.
These 'upgraded' Ruzzian tanks look like warmed-over crap, probably move like the garbage they are and may well be short-lived and ineffective on the battlefield. At least, let's hope so.
I try to follow the war in Ukraine closely. From what I understand Russians not using tanks much anymore, they loose them to quick for that. This will not help of course, you probably need to design them over again from the first bolt to be more survivable in the drone area. But I don’t think they have any choice, they don’t produce new ones fast enough so they have to try to use what they have left. In that respect this isn’t stupid. The whole war is stupid and evil of course, but upgrading what you have is better than not employing it.
Russia doesn't have the time or money to design a new MBT from the ground up. They're doing what they can, but it's woefully inadequate and killing crews. I'm surprised their crews will even go out in them anymore.
What would a drone survivable MBT look like? I have no idea, but I'll bet the Ukranians do...
The money for the T-14 factory was re-deployed to an urgently needed super-yacht, anchored in Cyprus. So there will only ever be the 14 or so prototypes.
That the testing program was embarrassing, did not help its chances - and nor did the breakdown in a May 9 parade in Red Square.
Valid points. I personally think that a drone surviving tank should be able to move fast and hide, but I am definitely not an expert. Ukrainians probably have some ideas yes.
Depends on which tanks and which war. Israeli tanks in the dense urban Gaza battlefield have been fantastic, high survivability rate, and nearly all that got hit got fixed and placed back into battle. Combined arms is one of the differences. Israel owning the drone war completely also helps. But Israel is not ditching its tanks or armored personnel carriers, it’s expanding them because of success.
Russian weapons, same as their Iranian allies, are heavy on the bluster and light on quality.
Wes here mocks Russian equipment , but doesn’t stop to consider that the Ukrainians also use the same kit and have far less of it.
The Russian military is winning at great cost, and Ukraine is losing at great cost. Ukrainians are deserting at record rates, units are weaker than ever, and Zelensky can’t fund the army he currently has, let alone upgrades to his Soviet kit.
Putin on the other hand is in a tremendous position economically- the war with Iran is raising the oil price and he has plenty of customers for his exports. He has the tacit support of the world’s biggest manufacturer, and China is the world leader in advanced drone manufacturing.
Ukraine meanwhile has lost control of its airspace with its GBAD becoming increasingly feeble. Russia has been pounding economic targets with great success and is advancing at an improving rate as it breaches Ukraines wavering and thin front lines.
Putin will take what he wants- Ukraine should seek terms and accept they fought well but lost.
They are producing some. The question is how many.
Both sides tweak their armor, the difference between that Ukrainian tweaks of Cold War and European armor make sense and produce the right result, while Ruzzia's desperate tweaks of garbage still looks, acts and moves like garbage.
These 'upgraded' Ruzzian tanks look like warmed-over crap, probably move like the garbage they are and may well be short-lived and ineffective on the battlefield. At least, let's hope so.
I try to follow the war in Ukraine closely. From what I understand Russians not using tanks much anymore, they loose them to quick for that. This will not help of course, you probably need to design them over again from the first bolt to be more survivable in the drone area. But I don’t think they have any choice, they don’t produce new ones fast enough so they have to try to use what they have left. In that respect this isn’t stupid. The whole war is stupid and evil of course, but upgrading what you have is better than not employing it.
Russia doesn't have the time or money to design a new MBT from the ground up. They're doing what they can, but it's woefully inadequate and killing crews. I'm surprised their crews will even go out in them anymore.
What would a drone survivable MBT look like? I have no idea, but I'll bet the Ukranians do...
They already have the T-14 but given that they haven't been deployed at scale tells you all you need to know regarding their effectiveness.
The money for the T-14 factory was re-deployed to an urgently needed super-yacht, anchored in Cyprus. So there will only ever be the 14 or so prototypes.
That the testing program was embarrassing, did not help its chances - and nor did the breakdown in a May 9 parade in Red Square.
Valid points. I personally think that a drone surviving tank should be able to move fast and hide, but I am definitely not an expert. Ukrainians probably have some ideas yes.
Depends on which tanks and which war. Israeli tanks in the dense urban Gaza battlefield have been fantastic, high survivability rate, and nearly all that got hit got fixed and placed back into battle. Combined arms is one of the differences. Israel owning the drone war completely also helps. But Israel is not ditching its tanks or armored personnel carriers, it’s expanding them because of success.
Russian weapons, same as their Iranian allies, are heavy on the bluster and light on quality.
Wes here mocks Russian equipment , but doesn’t stop to consider that the Ukrainians also use the same kit and have far less of it.
The Russian military is winning at great cost, and Ukraine is losing at great cost. Ukrainians are deserting at record rates, units are weaker than ever, and Zelensky can’t fund the army he currently has, let alone upgrades to his Soviet kit.
Putin on the other hand is in a tremendous position economically- the war with Iran is raising the oil price and he has plenty of customers for his exports. He has the tacit support of the world’s biggest manufacturer, and China is the world leader in advanced drone manufacturing.
Ukraine meanwhile has lost control of its airspace with its GBAD becoming increasingly feeble. Russia has been pounding economic targets with great success and is advancing at an improving rate as it breaches Ukraines wavering and thin front lines.
Putin will take what he wants- Ukraine should seek terms and accept they fought well but lost.
This will be fun to watch-as Ukrainian drones find their weak spot & Blow them the Fuck-UP!