Zelenskyy just responded. “The pressure on Ukraine is now at its most intense. Ukraine may now face a very difficult choice: either the loss of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner, or 28 difficult points, or an extremely harsh winter,” Zelensky said in his daily video address.
With the coming collapse of this latest severely misguided "peace plan" under heavy European criticism, I expect Trump to flip flop again and send Ukraine weapons and ammunition. With European backing, Ukraine can continue to defend itself and hammer Russia's economy and infrastructure pushing them closer to collapse. The obvious fact remains that Europe knows this is existential for them too. They must fight Putin in Ukraine now or fight him later on their own borders. If Putin is deranged enough to start WWIII, Russia will end up as glowing piles of rubble. His admirer, the orange Mussolini, is headed to defeat as well. Dictators always face defeat sooner or later. Putin\Russia MUST be defeated! Not appeased!
I mentioned a long time ago that von trump will somehow start WW3. He IS fucking putin’s asset. He is ZE traitor to America. Time for voters to wake up, although I am quite sure you can kiss bye bye to more elections. So sad. Thank you and good luck
Clear-eyed as ever, Wes. Of particular alarm: "Beijing would watch all of this with great interest."
This buffoon, in search of another imagined peace-notch in his belt, unconsciously gambles the future of so many in search of a Swedish trophy he'll never recieve.
I'd be interested in your views on the time-compression his tenure presents for the world's autocrats. If Americans' growing buyer's-remorse increases, and the clock begins ticking down to a change of values and strategy in Washington, what pressure might these actors feel to reach for things traditionally beyond their grasp in the next three years?
We are still waiting for the named guarantors to enforce what they previously had agreed to do and triggered in 2014. It is not the slightest use to Ukraine.
The GDP of the NATO countries is $46 trillion, and Russia’s is only $2.2 trillion. NATO’s European population is about 650 million vs Russia’s 144 million. Explain again why the US needs to subside NATO’s defense against Russia with either dollars or troops? I’m waiting. The answer to defending Ukraine and the Baltic states is the same. European NATO troops on the ground financed solely by Europe.
AJ: It’s pretty clear that our current president and the bulk of the American people no longer support the idea of sending our children to fight in foreign wars (Venezuela perhaps excluded in his warped case). There’s simply no reason for Europe not to defend itself.
False comment. A Russian invasion to Finland for instance (something that Putin has stated as a goal) would definitely involve Finnish investment in human capital, money, equipment first, NATO second. It's not like any NATO nation will not get involved while waiting for the Americans lol
AJ: Not false but as it should be. The same logic also applies to the inevitable reunification of China and Taiwan. No American parent will consent to their child dying to prevent that from happening and any president who attempted it would be immediately impeached. You simply have your head firmly planted up your ass.
I watched the Ukraine rep to the UN tell the assembly that the proposed American plan can go pound sand.
Here is how its going to go for you Yanks - your govt is going to drop the fucking ball, shit is going to happen in Europe and "we" (the rest of NATO) are going to be in a hot war. Then you fucking Yanks will play with your isolationalist dicks for 18 months to two years while your industrialists hoover up military supply contracts and after everyone has been bled half white, you'll stir your asses, show up late at the party blowing your fucking horns, lend a hand to mop up on what pathetic Russian remnants remain and then we get to watch your internal media propaganda machine bullshit us that you won the war for everybody for the next 50 years.
Anyone ever tell you that you are some of the most clued out feckless fucks on the planet?
Hogwash. You don't give up sovereign territory just because it was invaded. And this war has been objectively worse for Russia than Ukraine, which is saying a lot since Ukraine is paying for it in its blood
From a US pov, this folly by Putin has been a godsend with minimal $ spend and zero military losses. Russia has been exposed as a 3rd rate military, suffering immense manpower losses (always a bad sign when you have to recruit NKoreans to fortify military divisions lol), and an economy that will take decades to recover from. A US invasion of Russia would not have been as effective. No reason for this silly plan to be executed from a Ukrainian or US perspective
People really need to stop taking Ukrainian power fantasies and propaganda seriously.
The best estimates for Russian losses are from Mediazona and is around 200.000. Several times lower than Ukrainian losses.
(Which is also exemplified when corpses are exchanged, and Ukrainians often get 1000 dead returned for a few hundred Russian.)
Ukraine has over 300.000 deserters. Where are the equivalent Russian deserters? Where are the videos of thousands of Russians mass surrendering to avoid certain death?
They don’t exist (unlike the many videos of Ukrainian POWs). Because Russian losses are comparatively small and they’re winning.
See also: Kupyansk, Slaviansk, Mirnograd, etc etc etc.
(And of course for the first time ever, we don’t see Russian advance in one point only, but all throughout the front. While Zelensky’s closest people and top officials get busted for corruption.)
Stop listening to Russian propaganda and think. If Russian losses were minimal, there would be no need to recruit troops from NKorea, Syria lol 🤦
In reality, Russian losses (killed & wounded) are conservatively estimated at 800,000 to 1.4 million. Ukrainian losses 400,000-500,00. And then we get into equipment. When you have to dust off military equipment from the 80's, always a bad sign lol
Mediazona is western funded, opposed to Putin and get their casualty figures from obituaries, gravesites, personal files and statistics etc. In other words, there’s a factual basis for their casualty figures (less than 200.000).
(The over 300.000 Ukrainian deserters are of course also from official Ukrainian sources like Rada members.)
Unlike Ukrainian official figures which are pure propaganda.
Another source of information I regularly use are Ukrainian telegram channels. And even the far right nationalist military channels make no bones about the fact that they’re losing the war and they’re losing badly.
I trust them a lot more, than I trust the people who’ve been saying for four years that Russia is collapsing and losing, despite constant gains on the ground.
Fact is: Ukraine is a corrupt shithole, whose OWN people don’t want to bother fighting and they lost the war.
If they don’t take this peace deal, the next will be a lot less generous.
I'm sorry, but are we all watching the same operation? Russia will end things on its own terms, and there is nothing the West can do about it. Why on earth would they do anything else? Rump state Ukraine, no Black Sea access, no Black Rock or Monsanto, damn few living Ukronazis. NATO is as toothless as they are "agreement incapable", and have nothing to offer Russia to prevent completion.
Confused. Russia has lost the war a month into its operation. Their economy is bleeding, their military exposed as third-world quality, and Putin likely will be dead in less than 10 years leaving Russia as a third-rate nation and a dependent vassal under China for a generation. All with minimal $ spent by US/EU and zero military losses. This peace plan is a sign of Putin's desperation
Zelenskyy just responded. “The pressure on Ukraine is now at its most intense. Ukraine may now face a very difficult choice: either the loss of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner, or 28 difficult points, or an extremely harsh winter,” Zelensky said in his daily video address.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/21/europe/ukraine-war-trump-plan-zelensky-intl?cid=ios_app
With the coming collapse of this latest severely misguided "peace plan" under heavy European criticism, I expect Trump to flip flop again and send Ukraine weapons and ammunition. With European backing, Ukraine can continue to defend itself and hammer Russia's economy and infrastructure pushing them closer to collapse. The obvious fact remains that Europe knows this is existential for them too. They must fight Putin in Ukraine now or fight him later on their own borders. If Putin is deranged enough to start WWIII, Russia will end up as glowing piles of rubble. His admirer, the orange Mussolini, is headed to defeat as well. Dictators always face defeat sooner or later. Putin\Russia MUST be defeated! Not appeased!
The Ukrainians don't seem foolish enough to sign off on this surrender agreement.
But the American government can certainly make life worse for Ukrainians.
Why should European nations agree? This plan implies that the USA is no longer an ally.
"Peace in our time." Neville Chamberlain
I mentioned a long time ago that von trump will somehow start WW3. He IS fucking putin’s asset. He is ZE traitor to America. Time for voters to wake up, although I am quite sure you can kiss bye bye to more elections. So sad. Thank you and good luck
the taco guy should be told to stick it up his ass
Clear-eyed as ever, Wes. Of particular alarm: "Beijing would watch all of this with great interest."
This buffoon, in search of another imagined peace-notch in his belt, unconsciously gambles the future of so many in search of a Swedish trophy he'll never recieve.
I'd be interested in your views on the time-compression his tenure presents for the world's autocrats. If Americans' growing buyer's-remorse increases, and the clock begins ticking down to a change of values and strategy in Washington, what pressure might these actors feel to reach for things traditionally beyond their grasp in the next three years?
We are still waiting for the named guarantors to enforce what they previously had agreed to do and triggered in 2014. It is not the slightest use to Ukraine.
The GDP of the NATO countries is $46 trillion, and Russia’s is only $2.2 trillion. NATO’s European population is about 650 million vs Russia’s 144 million. Explain again why the US needs to subside NATO’s defense against Russia with either dollars or troops? I’m waiting. The answer to defending Ukraine and the Baltic states is the same. European NATO troops on the ground financed solely by Europe.
? Because they are allies under treaty
AJ: It’s pretty clear that our current president and the bulk of the American people no longer support the idea of sending our children to fight in foreign wars (Venezuela perhaps excluded in his warped case). There’s simply no reason for Europe not to defend itself.
False comment. A Russian invasion to Finland for instance (something that Putin has stated as a goal) would definitely involve Finnish investment in human capital, money, equipment first, NATO second. It's not like any NATO nation will not get involved while waiting for the Americans lol
AJ: Not false but as it should be. The same logic also applies to the inevitable reunification of China and Taiwan. No American parent will consent to their child dying to prevent that from happening and any president who attempted it would be immediately impeached. You simply have your head firmly planted up your ass.
I watched the Ukraine rep to the UN tell the assembly that the proposed American plan can go pound sand.
Here is how its going to go for you Yanks - your govt is going to drop the fucking ball, shit is going to happen in Europe and "we" (the rest of NATO) are going to be in a hot war. Then you fucking Yanks will play with your isolationalist dicks for 18 months to two years while your industrialists hoover up military supply contracts and after everyone has been bled half white, you'll stir your asses, show up late at the party blowing your fucking horns, lend a hand to mop up on what pathetic Russian remnants remain and then we get to watch your internal media propaganda machine bullshit us that you won the war for everybody for the next 50 years.
Anyone ever tell you that you are some of the most clued out feckless fucks on the planet?
Absolute nonsense.
The plan both satisfies Russian needs for security and preserves Ukrainian statehood.
Zelensky is opposed because continuing the war is in his personal best interests.
(See also: The corruption scandal that NABU has led, that leads straight to Zelensky’s inner circle.)
Ukraine is losing the war, and the next deal Russia offers, won’t be nearly as generous.
I’d imagine refusing this deal will cost Ukraine Odessa and Kharkov. And another 100.000 dead.
Hogwash. You don't give up sovereign territory just because it was invaded. And this war has been objectively worse for Russia than Ukraine, which is saying a lot since Ukraine is paying for it in its blood
From a US pov, this folly by Putin has been a godsend with minimal $ spend and zero military losses. Russia has been exposed as a 3rd rate military, suffering immense manpower losses (always a bad sign when you have to recruit NKoreans to fortify military divisions lol), and an economy that will take decades to recover from. A US invasion of Russia would not have been as effective. No reason for this silly plan to be executed from a Ukrainian or US perspective
“Immense manpower losses”
Lol!
People really need to stop taking Ukrainian power fantasies and propaganda seriously.
The best estimates for Russian losses are from Mediazona and is around 200.000. Several times lower than Ukrainian losses.
(Which is also exemplified when corpses are exchanged, and Ukrainians often get 1000 dead returned for a few hundred Russian.)
Ukraine has over 300.000 deserters. Where are the equivalent Russian deserters? Where are the videos of thousands of Russians mass surrendering to avoid certain death?
They don’t exist (unlike the many videos of Ukrainian POWs). Because Russian losses are comparatively small and they’re winning.
See also: Kupyansk, Slaviansk, Mirnograd, etc etc etc.
(And of course for the first time ever, we don’t see Russian advance in one point only, but all throughout the front. While Zelensky’s closest people and top officials get busted for corruption.)
Stop listening to Russian propaganda and think. If Russian losses were minimal, there would be no need to recruit troops from NKorea, Syria lol 🤦
In reality, Russian losses (killed & wounded) are conservatively estimated at 800,000 to 1.4 million. Ukrainian losses 400,000-500,00. And then we get into equipment. When you have to dust off military equipment from the 80's, always a bad sign lol
US military losses = zero. 😊
I’m not “listening to Russian propaganda”.
Mediazona is western funded, opposed to Putin and get their casualty figures from obituaries, gravesites, personal files and statistics etc. In other words, there’s a factual basis for their casualty figures (less than 200.000).
(The over 300.000 Ukrainian deserters are of course also from official Ukrainian sources like Rada members.)
Unlike Ukrainian official figures which are pure propaganda.
Another source of information I regularly use are Ukrainian telegram channels. And even the far right nationalist military channels make no bones about the fact that they’re losing the war and they’re losing badly.
I trust them a lot more, than I trust the people who’ve been saying for four years that Russia is collapsing and losing, despite constant gains on the ground.
Fact is: Ukraine is a corrupt shithole, whose OWN people don’t want to bother fighting and they lost the war.
If they don’t take this peace deal, the next will be a lot less generous.
I'm sorry, but are we all watching the same operation? Russia will end things on its own terms, and there is nothing the West can do about it. Why on earth would they do anything else? Rump state Ukraine, no Black Sea access, no Black Rock or Monsanto, damn few living Ukronazis. NATO is as toothless as they are "agreement incapable", and have nothing to offer Russia to prevent completion.
Confused. Russia has lost the war a month into its operation. Their economy is bleeding, their military exposed as third-world quality, and Putin likely will be dead in less than 10 years leaving Russia as a third-rate nation and a dependent vassal under China for a generation. All with minimal $ spent by US/EU and zero military losses. This peace plan is a sign of Putin's desperation