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billy mccarthy's avatar

at least vance cannot return it to american sstocks

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HoldingTheLine's avatar

Slava Ukraini!

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Roger Corbett's avatar

The US probably bought the Pioruns to test, evaluate, disect, and reverse engineer them to include their features into a new version of the Stinger. Afterall, the US would never want to admit that a NATO nation has better gear than them.

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Jan Mouchet's avatar

How a plane have a warning from a completely passive tread?

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Wes O'Donnell's avatar

Two possibilities. First, some Russian aircraft have Missile Approach Warning Systems (MAWS) that don’t rely on detecting the missile’s own emissions... they spot the incoming threat visually (via ultraviolet or infrared sensors) or by detecting the heat plume of the rocket motor. Think of it as an automated lookout that sees the missile’s exhaust bloom against the sky and yells “Incoming!” over the pilot’s headset.

Second, some systems can even detect the change in infrared background caused by a hot object closing fast, which is enough to trigger the “lock” or “missile launch” tone, even though the missile itself is completely silent electronically. It’s not that the Piorun suddenly turned “active,” it’s that the aircraft’s sensors are watching for exactly this kind of threat.

In other words, the Piorun isn’t announcing itself. The pilot’s own gear is snitching on it, assuming it spots it in time. And in Ukraine’s skies lately, that’s a very big “if.”

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Jan Mouchet's avatar

Wow, this master class deserv an old good Jack n7 bottle, thanks!

In some distant future send you one!

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I don't believe the russians install this type of counter measures, or not in the old su25, i see videos of a couple of this very good aircraft "eat" a manpads even without a flare disposal

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