I think for now I’m in the Adam Kinzinger camp on this. I think it’s mostly small planes filmed by lame iPhones at night.
But you’ve definitely highlighted the scarier possibility. I just think if they were foreign, they’d have already been dropped by our military — collateral damage or not. (And if they were foreign, I think our military would have at least flown by to identify them.)
But I’m a LITTLE nervous that for once I’m not on the same page as you on something, lol, so I certainly could be wrong. 😑🤣👊❤️🙏
I am often wrong, Stan lol. I'm just saying there is a precedent for this as the Chinese have been pulling drone stunts around Navy ships for years. It could also just be mass hysteria.
Yeah, that was some great background on the drones around our ships. I have no idea why we allow drones within say a few hundred yards of our ships. They should absolutely be shot down, in my opinion. (And honestly, probably further away than that! But maybe I'm just old-school.)
Following this story with horrified fascination from here in Sweden. For what's its worth, we had a weird November here, too, with sabotage of our fiber-optic cables, an armada of ghost ships in the Baltic Sea, and DHL parcels mysteriously catching fire both on the ground and in the air. Someone somewhere is up to no good.
I don't understand why the US military can not get close enough to one of these things to identify it, or remove it from the sky for closer observation. There must be much more to this story.
Am going to take a shot at ....a maybeeee long shot theory... on thr UAVs.
(A) Elements/Fratures I am working off:
- No heat sensing appears possible on the drones.
- Several Sightings rising out of the ocean, suggesting amphibious capability.
- Coordinated operations of the drones.
- Disappearance or movement away when tracked by other drones or military.
- Industrial size, not consumer retail grade.
- Can be taken down or shot down if necessary.
(B) I am theorising the following, Based on these features above:
(1) U.S. Technology Demonstration:
The drones might be an exhibition of U.S. technological capabilities, showcasing prowess in drone technology, especially after the effective use of drones like those from DJI by Ukrainians in conflicts.
(2) Testing Legal and Practical Boundaries:
This could be an effort to test or understand the legal frameworks and practical responses to unidentified or potentially hostile drone activities in U.S. airspace.
(3) Not a Foreign Power:
The assumption that these are not foreign drones but rather U.S.-made or operated, possibly to confuse or mislead about capabilities or to test security measures. Also because I think, I know, the US has unquestionable capabilities to bring any UAV Swarm down, if ever deemed necessary. Yes, testing off their bases in Europe etc for obvious reasons also.
(C) Few guesses of the possible Potential Entities Involved, who may have these capabilities:
Government Bodies:
- DARPA for testing new tech.
- U.S. Air Force or Navy for operational and strategic testing.
Defense Contractors:
- Lockheed Martin
- Northrop Grumman
- Boeing
- AeroVironment
- Kratos Defense & Security Solutions
- Raytheon Technologies for evasion tech.
Private Defense Companies:
- Anduril Industries for advanced AI and autonomous systems.
These theories and elements suggest a scenario where the U.S. might be either showcasing its technological edge( Yes they could have something seriously good) or conducting covert operations(?) to assess both its own defense mechanisms and the global perception of its capabilities. All these remain extremely speculative.
PUTTING IT TOGETHER & EXPANDING...
Re-examining these elements and theories, and capable contractors, in the context of current drone technology and capabilities:
Analysis of Observed Features:
(1) No Heat Sensing Possible:
Drones that can't be detected by heat sensors might suggest advanced materials or configurations that reduce thermal signatures. This capability could indicate military-grade or experimental technology. Companies like Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman are known for developing stealth technologies that could extend to drones.
(2) Amphibious Capability:
Amphibious drones are less common in the consumer market but exist in military applications. I believe companies like General Dynamics have experience with amphibious vehicles (Bluefin Robotics UUVs) and could potentially extend this technology to drones.
(3) Coordinated Operations:
Coordination of multiple drones suggests advanced AI and networking capabilities. AeroVironment and Boeing, both of which have developed sophisticated drone systems for military use, could have the technological know-how to manage such operations.
(4) Disappearance or Evasion When Tracked:
This could imply sophisticated evasion tactics or technology for counter-detection. Raytheon Technologies has been involved in developing systems for electronic warfare, which could be adapted for drone evasion.
(5) Industrial Size Drones:
Larger, industrial-sized drones are typically within the domain of specialized companies or defense contractors. Kratos Defense & Security Solutions produces large unmanned systems which could fit this description.
(6) Ability to Be Taken Down:
If these drones are not invulnerable, it suggests they might not be the most advanced in terms of defense but are still significant in their operational capabilities. This could be a test of existing systems or a demonstration of how drones can be managed in controlled scenarios?
(7) Theoretical Source of Technology:
Given these observations, here are potential entities that could theoretically be behind such drone operations:
- U.S. Government Agencies:
- DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) often spearheads cutting-edge, secretive projects that could include drones with these advanced features. Their mission to prevent technological surprise to the US could fit with testing drone capabilities.
- U.S. Air Force or Navy might be testing drones in real-world scenarios to assess vulnerabilities and capabilities, especially in light of how drones have been utilized in conflicts like in Ukraine.
Defense Contractors:
- Lockheed Martin: Known for stealth technology and a wide array of military drones.
- Northrop Grumman: Has experience with both unmanned systems and stealth technology.
- Boeing: Involved in both commercial and defense drone technology, with an emphasis on large systems.
- AeroVironment: Specializes in smaller unmanned aircraft but has capabilities in advanced drone systems for military use.
Private Companies with Defense Ties:
- Anduril Industries, founded by Palmer Luckey, has been rapidly expanding in defense technology, focusing on AI and autonomous systems which could include such drone capabilities.
My general conclusion:
However, without concrete evidence, everthing remains simply speculative. The features described do align with capabilities that several U.S. companies and government entities could feasibly possess. So this could indeed be a scenario where the U.S. is showcasing or testing technology to both assess its own defenses and send a message about its capabilities, especially in an era where drone warfare and surveillance have become pivotal?
Qualification again: All this is conjecture based on the features i've noted reading across news reports; actual confirmation would require official statements or further investigative journalism. Everything said being extremely highly speculative. 🖖
How is it none have been tracked back to where they land? Is it possible? With another drone of chopper?
Even if they’re civilian and it’s all ok, as apparently nighttime drone flights have very recently been authorized, so it might be the local drone club having a laugh, but at least we’d know where some are coming from??
Other that, ya, stop the tariff threats and we’re good. 🍁
Regarding those drones that people can’t seem to identify, how about people start aiming laser pointers at these drones and …see who responds? Smoke out the terrorists. After all, it could be the enemy of the day (EOD’s)!
I'm surprised that getting these drones out of the sky is proving an issue.
Also, Ryan McBeth's take in a nutshell.
"I don't believe that these drone sightings are of any concern. Odds are that this is a military exercise and some people were not notified as part of the exercise. However, we do need to have a conversation about drone detection and interception going forward."
Well I’m trying to be rational here but it’s too frequent, the news interviews you can see they’re denying and keeping something to themselves… and like usual if something bad happens the government will say “we didn’t want to alarm the public but we always knew…. “…
It's not often I completely disagree with you, but in this case I suspect that misidentification and mass hysteria are more likely causes. News and social media accelerate this sort of thing just by their nature.
Stop with the tariff threats against Canada and the drone problem will go away.
You might be on to something, Cameron
I think for now I’m in the Adam Kinzinger camp on this. I think it’s mostly small planes filmed by lame iPhones at night.
But you’ve definitely highlighted the scarier possibility. I just think if they were foreign, they’d have already been dropped by our military — collateral damage or not. (And if they were foreign, I think our military would have at least flown by to identify them.)
But I’m a LITTLE nervous that for once I’m not on the same page as you on something, lol, so I certainly could be wrong. 😑🤣👊❤️🙏
I am often wrong, Stan lol. I'm just saying there is a precedent for this as the Chinese have been pulling drone stunts around Navy ships for years. It could also just be mass hysteria.
If unidentified drones are buzzing around Navy ships, perhaps a Phalanx warning shot near, or at, one might get their attention?
Yeah, that was some great background on the drones around our ships. I have no idea why we allow drones within say a few hundred yards of our ships. They should absolutely be shot down, in my opinion. (And honestly, probably further away than that! But maybe I'm just old-school.)
Questions I would ask, after polishing the stars on my shoulder:
Can we get high-res photos, record their radio emissions, and track their flight paths to the point of origin?
Can we block their radio transmissions or otherwise jam them?
Can we employ our own drones to intercept or shadow them?
Can we fry them, if warranted with a high energy beam weapon?
How much authority do I have to actually do something about this?
Have we been caught with our pants down—again?
I’m not feeling well. Will somebody please fill-in for me at today’s press conference?
Quads are short range. So figuring out where they are launched from can help identify their origin.
I don't buy that no one is doing anything.
Following this story with horrified fascination from here in Sweden. For what's its worth, we had a weird November here, too, with sabotage of our fiber-optic cables, an armada of ghost ships in the Baltic Sea, and DHL parcels mysteriously catching fire both on the ground and in the air. Someone somewhere is up to no good.
Wes, your manage subscription lik
Link is not working from in Substack app. How do we get there otherwise?
I don't understand why the US military can not get close enough to one of these things to identify it, or remove it from the sky for closer observation. There must be much more to this story.
If Kiplinger's thinks it's just airplanes, they are definitely drones. My bet is that they are US controlled.
My prayer is they are not training to disrupt/something worse around January 20.
Am going to take a shot at ....a maybeeee long shot theory... on thr UAVs.
(A) Elements/Fratures I am working off:
- No heat sensing appears possible on the drones.
- Several Sightings rising out of the ocean, suggesting amphibious capability.
- Coordinated operations of the drones.
- Disappearance or movement away when tracked by other drones or military.
- Industrial size, not consumer retail grade.
- Can be taken down or shot down if necessary.
(B) I am theorising the following, Based on these features above:
(1) U.S. Technology Demonstration:
The drones might be an exhibition of U.S. technological capabilities, showcasing prowess in drone technology, especially after the effective use of drones like those from DJI by Ukrainians in conflicts.
(2) Testing Legal and Practical Boundaries:
This could be an effort to test or understand the legal frameworks and practical responses to unidentified or potentially hostile drone activities in U.S. airspace.
(3) Not a Foreign Power:
The assumption that these are not foreign drones but rather U.S.-made or operated, possibly to confuse or mislead about capabilities or to test security measures. Also because I think, I know, the US has unquestionable capabilities to bring any UAV Swarm down, if ever deemed necessary. Yes, testing off their bases in Europe etc for obvious reasons also.
(C) Few guesses of the possible Potential Entities Involved, who may have these capabilities:
Government Bodies:
- DARPA for testing new tech.
- U.S. Air Force or Navy for operational and strategic testing.
Defense Contractors:
- Lockheed Martin
- Northrop Grumman
- Boeing
- AeroVironment
- Kratos Defense & Security Solutions
- Raytheon Technologies for evasion tech.
Private Defense Companies:
- Anduril Industries for advanced AI and autonomous systems.
These theories and elements suggest a scenario where the U.S. might be either showcasing its technological edge( Yes they could have something seriously good) or conducting covert operations(?) to assess both its own defense mechanisms and the global perception of its capabilities. All these remain extremely speculative.
PUTTING IT TOGETHER & EXPANDING...
Re-examining these elements and theories, and capable contractors, in the context of current drone technology and capabilities:
Analysis of Observed Features:
(1) No Heat Sensing Possible:
Drones that can't be detected by heat sensors might suggest advanced materials or configurations that reduce thermal signatures. This capability could indicate military-grade or experimental technology. Companies like Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman are known for developing stealth technologies that could extend to drones.
(2) Amphibious Capability:
Amphibious drones are less common in the consumer market but exist in military applications. I believe companies like General Dynamics have experience with amphibious vehicles (Bluefin Robotics UUVs) and could potentially extend this technology to drones.
(3) Coordinated Operations:
Coordination of multiple drones suggests advanced AI and networking capabilities. AeroVironment and Boeing, both of which have developed sophisticated drone systems for military use, could have the technological know-how to manage such operations.
(4) Disappearance or Evasion When Tracked:
This could imply sophisticated evasion tactics or technology for counter-detection. Raytheon Technologies has been involved in developing systems for electronic warfare, which could be adapted for drone evasion.
(5) Industrial Size Drones:
Larger, industrial-sized drones are typically within the domain of specialized companies or defense contractors. Kratos Defense & Security Solutions produces large unmanned systems which could fit this description.
(6) Ability to Be Taken Down:
If these drones are not invulnerable, it suggests they might not be the most advanced in terms of defense but are still significant in their operational capabilities. This could be a test of existing systems or a demonstration of how drones can be managed in controlled scenarios?
(7) Theoretical Source of Technology:
Given these observations, here are potential entities that could theoretically be behind such drone operations:
- U.S. Government Agencies:
- DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) often spearheads cutting-edge, secretive projects that could include drones with these advanced features. Their mission to prevent technological surprise to the US could fit with testing drone capabilities.
- U.S. Air Force or Navy might be testing drones in real-world scenarios to assess vulnerabilities and capabilities, especially in light of how drones have been utilized in conflicts like in Ukraine.
Defense Contractors:
- Lockheed Martin: Known for stealth technology and a wide array of military drones.
- Northrop Grumman: Has experience with both unmanned systems and stealth technology.
- Boeing: Involved in both commercial and defense drone technology, with an emphasis on large systems.
- AeroVironment: Specializes in smaller unmanned aircraft but has capabilities in advanced drone systems for military use.
Private Companies with Defense Ties:
- Anduril Industries, founded by Palmer Luckey, has been rapidly expanding in defense technology, focusing on AI and autonomous systems which could include such drone capabilities.
My general conclusion:
However, without concrete evidence, everthing remains simply speculative. The features described do align with capabilities that several U.S. companies and government entities could feasibly possess. So this could indeed be a scenario where the U.S. is showcasing or testing technology to both assess its own defenses and send a message about its capabilities, especially in an era where drone warfare and surveillance have become pivotal?
Qualification again: All this is conjecture based on the features i've noted reading across news reports; actual confirmation would require official statements or further investigative journalism. Everything said being extremely highly speculative. 🖖
How is it none have been tracked back to where they land? Is it possible? With another drone of chopper?
Even if they’re civilian and it’s all ok, as apparently nighttime drone flights have very recently been authorized, so it might be the local drone club having a laugh, but at least we’d know where some are coming from??
Other that, ya, stop the tariff threats and we’re good. 🍁
Jewish False Flag!
Regarding those drones that people can’t seem to identify, how about people start aiming laser pointers at these drones and …see who responds? Smoke out the terrorists. After all, it could be the enemy of the day (EOD’s)!
I'm surprised that getting these drones out of the sky is proving an issue.
Also, Ryan McBeth's take in a nutshell.
"I don't believe that these drone sightings are of any concern. Odds are that this is a military exercise and some people were not notified as part of the exercise. However, we do need to have a conversation about drone detection and interception going forward."
https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/drones-over-new-jersey
More likely to be Jeff Bezos or US military don’t you think?
Well I’m trying to be rational here but it’s too frequent, the news interviews you can see they’re denying and keeping something to themselves… and like usual if something bad happens the government will say “we didn’t want to alarm the public but we always knew…. “…
It's not often I completely disagree with you, but in this case I suspect that misidentification and mass hysteria are more likely causes. News and social media accelerate this sort of thing just by their nature.